CONVERSATION WITH LUCIFER BOOK II

Let’s try to perceive God as a brilliant programmer who has created myriad different game programs and is simultaneously playing all of them. Moreover, He is so absorbed in all these games that He no longer distinguishes between Himself as an outside observer and Himself as the one playing these games. That is, if we perceive the situation in such an analogy, He never stops, not even for a minute, and doesn’t step out of the game to drink coffee—He is entirely in the game, playing billions upon billions of games at all levels of these games in all roles simultaneously.

But there is information that there are certain architects of the universe who create these programs.

There is only God and His various forms. And in the analogy I’ve given you, one of the games God plays is the game of creating other games, while another game He plays is the game of drawing pictures in the game, the interface. That is, among the roles of God in these countless games, there are roles of programmers, artists, those who come up with new program options, games, and so on.

May God forgive me, but from your stories, it seems that you’re describing a kind of mad, genius programmer obsessed with games.

Has it never happened that a game or a movie captivated you? Fascination is one of God’s qualities, one of the qualities of immortality, if you will. Fascination is a directed focus, a concentration of energy without loss. If you’ve seen a person who is passionate, you’ve noticed that their attention is entirely focused on the object of their fascination. You yourselves say about such people, "He doesn’t see anything else but…". This is focused attention without energy loss. Therefore, God is indeed obsessed with games, but in the sense that He does not dissipate His energy without conscious direction, when its parts are directed to refract in a specific spectrum. In our analogy, each part of His player’s attention is directed toward the game in its various forms.

Still, let’s return to density and forgetfulness. I still don’t understand why forgetfulness is necessary. We’ve had many versions. The first is that we forget everything because we fall into dense matter, which kind of extinguishes these memories, like a veil. The second is that we don’t remember all our past lives because our memory couldn’t bear it. The third is that we did many things in past lives, and now we’re given the opportunity to correct everything and live life anew. The fourth is that we start with a blank slate to create a new, unique creation. And the fifth (yours) is that we are taught from childhood to forget what happened to us before birth. Which version is correct?

All of them. Remember that everything is a game of perception. Various entities with different experiences of perception, accumulated before incarnating in your world, descend into your planet, into your density. And all the explanations you mentioned are simply different variations of the reasons for forgetfulness in your world.

But in my world, everyone falls under this forgetfulness. Why?

A child comes into this world with the knowledge of their divine predestination and the memory of past incarnations. But then they enter the game that this entity has chosen and become so absorbed that they forget everything except the game. Moreover, there are many partners around them who are just as absorbed in the game as they are, and together they convince each other that there is nothing but the game, that the game is reality, and life, and the meaning of everything, and they begin to teach other partners in the game the same. And each player, while still keeping in the depths of their memory the tasks of their incarnation (or the project of the agreement and their interests in this game, their interests in passing certain lessons of the game), transmits their memories of the game’s conditions and tells their version of why forgetfulness is necessary.

But there are levels above the third, where there is no forgetfulness at all. Why is the veil of forgetfulness only present in the first three levels?

That’s the game. Remember, I spoke about the lamp-shades? This "God’s lamp" is designed, structured by God Himself, His parts, so that on the first level, there is only one "hole," and through it, you can’t clearly see your past incarnations. You, like a little beam of God, having passed through this hole, can return to God and to memories of God only back through this same hole—the path is very narrow. You always think that your knowledge is just an allegory, but your words often reflect the literal meaning. This is exactly what your difficult path to rebirth in God is called—a narrow path. And all the practices on this path are also focused on the very precise focusing of divine energy within oneself and its precise direction. Accordingly, on the first level, you can get the minimum information about God only through this "hole," for it is the only connection with God in that world.

On the second level, the number of "holes" for light becomes two, and therefore, there are twice as many opportunities for remembering yourself as God and returning to God. Each entity has a choice: to return to God through these narrow paths-holes, which is quite difficult and requires very precise and integrated focusing of oneself, or to continue spreading away from God and look for other holes-exits of God’s light, to refract further and reach the third level, where there are already three holes… And so on.

Wait. But in your analogy, at the third level, I can only return to the knowledge of myself at the second level, not to the knowledge of Myself as God.

Correct. At the third level, you remember yourself at the second level, at the second—yourself at the first. At the fourth—yourself at the third, and so on. It is the so-called memory of the previous incarnation.

But at the first level, I don’t remember anything at all!

You don’t remember your experience. Your task at the first level is to focus on the goal of returning to God because all of you know from the beginning what your goal is. But you must remember it within yourself by focusing on this goal and ignoring everything else. This is what you are taught. Remember all the stories about saints? All of them focus on the same thing: a saint is a person who hasn’t dissipated, hasn’t scattered himself among other possible goals, hasn’t become fascinated by them. He has found the narrow path leading to God and has followed it, sacrificing everything else. This is the path of return. If you make a mistake, this narrow path will never be found, because the other paths, the other "holes," haven’t been illuminated yet, haven’t been formed. And therefore, when a person reaches the goal, he ascends to the second level and sees the light of the second level. He finds another path back to God, and another, and another.

It’s like a puzzle in the shape of a lamp. You can remove the first layer of the puzzle only in one place, find the first "hole" of return. Remove the second layer, and two more holes open. Remove the third, and so on. The more layers you remove, the more "holes" of return there are. But at the same time, the holes of the previous layers are visible to you, and you can return to the first layer. And so on until you return to God.

These are all just words. But if you want, we can talk within the concept of incarnational cells. What you call an incarnational cell is also heterogeneous, containing different energies of yourself. An incarnational cell is like an airlock when exiting an isolated spaceship into outer space. This spaceship is enormous and also contains many compartments. This ship represents the environment of your current incarnation, but then the period of retraining comes. At first, you’re just a passenger on the ship, learning how to use it and live in it as an ordinary passenger without delving into the technical details. After unsuccessful attempts by the passenger to master the ship's compartments, they go through a briefing in a special training class before trying again, where everything necessary for the briefing is available. If the previous lessons were mastered successfully, they are brought to another training stand of this airlock. Then, the passenger who has fully mastered using the ship expresses a desire to learn the profession of the ship's technician, stewardess, rescuer, instructor, or pilot. After mastering all the professions available on the ship, they are ready to venture into open space to become a shipbuilder. The incarnational cell is, rather, the ship itself. And upon entering "open space," the astronaut suddenly realizes they are entering an even more complex ship, and everything begins anew at a new level. And the Cosmos is visible only through the porthole, so alluring yet still inaccessible.

You asked about the illusion of forgetting, and I tried to find an analogy, and now I have found one. Imagine that you are God, and you fall asleep, and in the dream, you fall asleep again, and in the next dream, you also fall asleep and see the next dream, in which you also fall asleep, and so on endlessly. Can you understand in the last dream that you are repeatedly asleep? To return back, you need to wake up successively from all the previous dreams, which is what you and all of us are doing. And when God wakes up, He will remember all His dreams and remember Himself as His dreams, how different He was in all these dreams, but it was all Him. And you will wake up. And I will wake up. For we are Him.

And if this analogy is applied to a game, then God began to play a game where there was an option to start another game, where He again became a player of a game, and so on. And each game is so fascinating that you forget about the previous game. Accordingly, to remember yourself as the first player, you need to exit each game sequentially. But each new level offers new games, ever more captivating, like in your advertisements, and it's hard to resist trying them.

Tell me, how close is the computer model of the gaming universe to reality? I mean, using this analogy where God is as if playing computer games that He Himself created, it becomes easier for us to understand what is happening since we ourselves play computer games.

We have already discussed that reality is an interpretation. What I am trying to explain to you is simply an attempt to find similar interpretations in your mind. Your mind is accustomed to analyzing information and comparing it with what is already available. If I give you a set of words that your brain cannot interpret as something already known, you won’t be able to understand me, so I am simply looking for similar analogies in your brain so that you can visualize general outlines, general connections, and general principles. But there is no "truth" in a single objective reality with which you can compare and say how close my explanation is compared to others. There is only the light of God refracted through various consciousnesses into different realities, and they are all real, and they are all true because they are the light of God. However, all of them are distorted compared to the original state of God's light. And they are all true because this is how they could refract under the conditions they entered during interaction. And they are all true.

So, how should one pass the third level to reach the fourth?

You need to open within yourself the facets of the fourth level. Your light of God needs to find the fourth opening in the lamp-ball and find an exit into the space of the fourth world. That means expanding your perception capabilities. How can this be done? Enthusiasm is a quality of focus, but sometimes enthusiasm does not serve you well. That is, you become so engrossed in wandering through the three openings of your lamp-ball that you do not notice the fourth exit. First, believe and realize that there are other entrances, that there are other facets of perception. How does light seek an exit? How would you search for an object if you had a flashlight in your hands? You would start illuminating other points in space, and sooner or later, you would find other objects in that space. So, you must expand the search of your perception, accept that everything existing in your space—all objects, all laws, all the rules known to you—are incomplete. And to find new objects, new laws, you just need to look around, listen, and start shining the light in different directions. Simply realize that there is still a lot that you haven’t noticed before, simply because you shone the light in one direction, searching for an exit for your light only through the three familiar openings of the lamp.

Can any of us remain in our physical body for as long as we want and move with our physical body to the fourth level?

You can, but why? We have already said that death and the wear and tear of your physical body are mainly not the result of the external world’s influence (ecology, nutrition, viruses) but the result of your internal world’s influence. Your fatigue from life, your loss of interest in this game. The player should not be bored; otherwise, they stop playing. The entire universe is captivated by the game, and the degree of this captivation is the degree of effective use of divine energy, not wasting it in vain. Therefore, when a player loses interest in the game, they are removed from this game; a new game is offered to captivate them. So those of you who do not lose interest in the game of this life for a long time and do not seek to leave it live very long.

As for transitioning this body to the fourth dimension, when you master your new body, you will understand what a prison your previous body was for you and how many opportunities the new body opens up for you. So, you yourself will not want to return to your physical body. Theoretically, such an opportunity exists, but in practice, very few use it. Among you, there are a small number of entities that live for several millennia in physical form. There are very few of them, and they do not advertise themselves. But their physical body is still transformed according to their capabilities. The fact is that in such a long existence in the current physical body, they have learned to use all its possibilities, while you use only part of them.

Why did ancient people live 800–900 years, and we live only about a hundred years or less? Is the reason just fatigue?

There are many reasons. The first and main one is your beliefs. When all of you are convinced that a person lives about 80 years, and only a few reach a century, you yourselves create these conditions for your physical body’s existence. You set its development programs, where it knows that after fifty it should start to wither, and then at about 90, it should die. Furthermore, of course, the general paradigm of separation and mortality instilled in you played a role, along with the paradigm of human suffering in front of nature and the unknown, where there was a punishing and vengeful god for sins, your fears of punishment after death—all this adds up to a set of beliefs about the inevitability of death and the fear of death. Having such a limited lifespan in the physical body in your brain, you hurry to do everything quickly to catch up, thereby increasing the intensity of using your body. You form a mass of thoughts and events in your life in this way because you are rushing to do everything, not realizing that eternity lies ahead. By getting caught up in these pseudo-events and goals, you miss the main thing in your life—your divinity. How would you structure your life if you knew that you would never die? What would concern you? What would you do? Would you rush to do the things you feel obligated to do if you had countless attempts to do anything in any form or shape?

You talk about being captivated by the game, about God not wasting His energy in vain, and about the need to play with interest. But we are taught not to get involved in events and to be detached observers. Doesn’t one contradict the other?

Not at all. Being a detached observer is one way of playing, one scenario. But you are told about something else. You are so engrossed in some details of the game that you do not see others. You go through the same path of suffering thousands of times in different variations, not noticing that next to it is a path of joy, a path of wisdom, and a path of contemplation. And many other paths. You are being called to detach from the accepted standards of the game and find your own games, even more captivating ones.

Part 32: The Tale of Lost Time. Shifting Realities

How can you comment on the following information: Due to the actions of certain civilizations, a malfunction occurred in the beam of time on Earth, which led to the thickening of the veil, the intensification of karma, the loss of memory of past incarnations, and the loss of connection with higher aspects in people.

The beam of time is what connects different realities created by you, like a thread with beads.

Remember I mentioned that time is simply a marker that distinguishes one moment from another, one event from another, one reality from another.

Thus, using the coordinates of the beam of time, you can determine the spatial location of each reality and travel along the beam of time to different realities.

Did a malfunction in the beam of time really occur?

There was a distortion. It’s as if the source of the beam turned off for a second, and when it turned back on, the realities—like beads—got mixed up and arranged differently on the thread than they were before.

What did this cause?

A displacement of times. Previously, next to the "bead" of your reality was the "bead" of the reality of your past life and the "bead" of the reality of your future life. After the malfunction, the order was disrupted. That’s why you don’t remember your incarnations and cannot glimpse your future.

So which beads-realities are now next to the bead of my reality?

Parallel versions of your existence. It’s very difficult to explain multidimensionality using linear concepts. Any words will create a very simplified model. But imagine the space-time continuum as a bead necklace, where each knot contains three beads: what you call the past, present, and future. There are as many knots as there are dimensions of you. Thus, on your space-time "necklace," there are numerous three-dimensional bead knots. At the same time, the beam of time also triples and can connect all the beads of your past incarnations, all the beads of your current incarnations, and all the beads of your future incarnations. But, in reality, all of this is one and the same beam, along which you can travel to various points in the space-time continuum. However, this is your personal "necklace." Each of you has one, and all of them are interconnected and intertwine into a complex pattern of a general "necklace" forming your realities, which intersect, touch, or do not touch. And the beam of time, therefore, can be imagined as a multi-strand wire, a connecting thread of all possible existing realities. But at one moment, the beam disappeared, and when it was restored, the beads got mixed up, and not all of them returned to their original places.

And how did this affect the veil?

You perceive the veil as some sort of screen that someone placed before you with a specific purpose. Different realities differ from each other by various indicators, including density. If you cannot penetrate a stone, you wouldn’t say there is a veil between you. You simply have different densities; your realities, when they come into contact, have different characteristics, not fully compatible. So, when the realities shifted, those that were inaccessible to you, unseen, and much less dense ended up next to your realities, making simple penetration and flow impossible. And this created in your perception the illusion of a veil placed by someone.

It’s not accurate to say that the "thickening of the veil," as you call it, led to the intensification of karma. You simply lost the connection between times and now do not see the cause-and-effect relationship. If in your current life you remembered your past life, you would understand the consequences and causes of events happening in your current reality. And it wouldn’t seem like punishment for sins. Moreover, you would see the consequences of all your thoughts and actions, as the forming reality of your current future would be open to you, and you could adjust your behavior, understanding and actually observing what it leads to. Remember, you have a saying: "the connection of times has broken"? This is a prophetic vision.

Furthermore, you could travel along the beam of time and change your past if you saw unwanted consequences in the present, and thus change simultaneously your past, present, and future, creating it as a single conglomerate, as a unified space, thereby gaining a much broader and multiple experience of development, and becoming the creator of your own experience. As a result of the beam of time’s malfunction, all this transformed into the concept of karma, because it was difficult for you to explain the consequences of your actions, as you did not perceive them. And this gave birth to your religions, attempts to impose prohibitions on certain actions that could harm you, the concept of heaven and hell, the concept of sin and punishment. But originally, it was much simpler and more consistent.

Why did the malfunction in the beam of time occur? Was it a deliberate intervention by someone or the result of someone's thoughtless actions?

Both. The gods who created the programs and connections of your realities experimented with time. Time does not exist in all parts of the universe. There are worlds where all realities exist simultaneously, and multidimensionality is literal and concurrent. There are realities where there are no dimensions. And there is static existence, which develops according to different meaningful parameters, according to the parameters of constancy, immutability. There are worlds that constantly change, and previous parameters are not preserved; that is, previous parameters are included in the pattern of current ones, like layers of the same thing. It’s difficult for me to explain to you. There are many options for forming space. The space-time continuum is just one of them.

The gods who created your part of reality introduced the temporal parameter to increase variability, to enhance diversity. Can you imagine the possibility of simultaneously existing in multiple versions of yourself and your reality? This increases the number of experiences gained and expands choice. But in forming reality programs, they made a mistake. This led to the malfunction in the beam of time.

The gods creating our reality? Who are these gods? Wasn’t it you?

No. I, if you can put it this way, am the author of the idea, the "inventor" with a "patent for invention." The invention itself is implemented by specialists. There are many structures in the universe with which you are not yet familiar.

Are they the keepers of time?

Those you call keepers of time are precisely keepers. They, in your terms, perform the technical maintenance of the system, keeping it in working condition. But there are also time constructors, creating time programs and temporal connections.

So, Yahweh is not related to the malfunction in the beam of time?

We are all related to it because we are participants in this experiment, the experiment of duality. Each participant has their functions, a kind of specialization. Yahweh and his team began their creation work at their level; they were creating social connections. It’s hard for me to find the right words. They came to a level where planetary interactions already existed and were responsible for populating planets, for sowing. Like a gardener comes to a designated plot and plants it with future crops.

But why did some time programmers experiment with the beam of time?

It was a new experiment. They tried different options and combinations. They attempted to create duplicate systems. Just as in your road construction, traffic is temporarily redirected to a detour. This was the launch of the detour. However, when time returned to the "main road," the realities shifted.