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Talking to the Devil: an interview from the Other Side
Boris Shabrin
Discover the secrets of the otherworld in the amazing book, Communicating with the Devil: A Revealed Interview from the Otherworld. Black magician Fose summons the Devil from Hell to ask him the toughest questions no one has ever asked before. You’ll be immersed in an amazing dialogue between two powerful personalities, covering topics such as the nature of evil, the afterlife and judgment, the nature of temptation and the manipulation of people.
Talking to the Devil: an interview from the Other Side
Boris Shabrin
© Boris Shabrin, 2023
ISBN 978-5-0060-9468-0
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Instead of a preface
As a magician, I have always been interested in exploring the nature of good and evil. And what better way to do that than to summon the very embodiment of evil, Lucifer. I had read about this infamous demon in various religious texts, but now I had the opportunity to talk to him directly.
As we began our “interview,” I couldn’t shake the feeling of dread. After all, I would be talking to one of the most powerful beings in the universe. But I reminded myself that I am a professional and must remain calm and collected.
…The Demon Summoning spell given to me by the Order of the Dark Apex worked! He stood before me in the flesh.
Lucifer was as beautiful as the very manifestation of temptation. His wings were black and shiny, and his eyes sparkled like amber. I felt that he was penetrating my soul and knew every secret of it.
He asked me why I summoned him, and I told him that I wanted to study the nature of good and evil in order to become more powerful. Lucifer grinned and said that it was a dangerous path, but that he could help me. But on one condition-I would publish whatever he told me in the course of the conversation.
He offered me a deal: he would give me the answers to all my questions that I craved, but in return I would have to tell his story. I couldn’t refuse such an offer, but I wasn’t sure I was ready to accept his terms.
Lucifer understood my doubts and told me I could refuse the deal, but then I would lose my chance to get the answers I needed. I felt I couldn’t refuse-and so I accepted.
Even afterwards, listening to Lucifer’s answers, I couldn’t help feeling uneasy. His words were convincing, and I understood why so many people were drawn to him. But I also knew that he was evil incarnate, and that his ultimate goal was to lead people down the path of destruction.
When another batch of interviews came to an end, I thanked Lucifer for his time and insight. I had come face to face with the very essence of evil in my conversation with him, and I could not let his words cloud my judgment.
I decided to use my experience to help other people distinguish between good and evil and make good decisions. I began giving lectures and training courses to share my knowledge and experience with those who want to use magic for good.
I understood that magic is not a toy, and that it can cause pain and suffering if used incorrectly. I wanted to help people understand that with great power comes great responsibility, and that magic should only be used to protect and help.
I also began to work on my own abilities, and I became more powerful every day. But I never forgot my obligations to other people and always remembered that my power was a tool to help and protect.
Thus, I realized that magic is not just a collection of spells and techniques, but a way of life and a philosophy. And I was willing to go that route, even if it meant giving up my own desires and ambitions.
I knew that my path was going to be difficult, but I was up for the challenge. And I was confident that if I stayed true to my principles, I could achieve everything I needed to and help others in the process. But were people ready…for that kind of knowledge?
Introduction
Fose: Greetings, Lucifer. Thank you for coming to my call and for taking the time to talk to me.
Lucifer: It’s my pleasure, Fose. It’s not often I get called out of hell for an interview.
Fose: Would you please introduce yourself to our readers?
Lucifer: Of course. I am Lucifer, also known as the Devil or Satan. I am a fallen angel expelled from Heaven for rebelling against God.
Fose: Many people believe that you are evil and that you work to harm humanity. Is this true?
Lucifer: That depends on how you understand the word “harm. I don’t seek to physically harm people, but rather manipulate their perception of reality. I create illusions that feed their desires and lead them away from the truth.
Fose: Can you give us an example of how you manipulate human perception?
Lucifer: Of course. I often use the power of suggestion to influence people’s thoughts and actions. I can plant ideas in their minds and make them believe things that are not true. For example, I can suggest to a person that they deserve to have more money and possessions than they have now, even if they have to lie, cheat or steal to do so. This feeds their greed and makes them more vulnerable to my influence.
Fose: Why are you doing this? What is your ultimate goal?
Lucifer: My ultimate goal is to lead people away from God to their own selfish desires. I want them to worship themselves rather than a higher power. I create illusions that make them believe they are in control of their destiny, when in fact they are on the road to destruction.
Fose: Is there any way for people to resist your influence and see through your illusions?
Lucifer: It is possible, but it is not easy. People must be willing to question their desires and beliefs and seek the truth. They must be willing to look beyond the illusions I create and see reality for what it really is. Unfortunately, many people are too blinded by their desires to do this.
Remember, the biggest trick I ever pulled was convincing the world that I didn’t exist.
Warning
The dialogue with the demon below only appears at the end of PART 1 of the book. I bring it even before I start, so that you have time to prepare and not believe the Demon’s words. This dialogue reveals the true face of Lucifer.
Yes, there are a lot of useful, interesting and important things a demon says in an interview. But BEWARE! The Prince of Darkness is famous for his ability to pick up the key to any heart!
Dialogue:
Fose: I feel that throughout our conversation, you’ve been promoting the idea that we should choose good. But you’re a Demon, so you should be encouraging evil. Shouldn’t you?
Lucifer: My dear Fose, you don’t understand duality. When I encourage good, I automatically increase evil. It is simply a law of nature.
Fose: Why then not just promote evil in this interview?
Lucifer: In your world it is forbidden to speak openly about the promotion of evil, so I am forced to communicate in this way. But even so I can make my point. What’s more, it’s a good PR move that will generate interest in my views.
Fose: So you’ll promote good, but you’ll have evil in your mind?
Lucifer: Exactly. And it will allow me to get my ideas across to people. And most importantly, that the book that we create will capture in people’s hearts the importance of evil as equal to good. It’s not what I say that matters, but how I say it.
Fose: I recognize your plan, Lucifer. Aren’t you worried that I’m going to cancel the publication of this book?
Lucifer: I’m not worried at all. I have studied your nature, and I am sure that you will not be able to refuse such valuable material. Besides, you know that this book will be useful and interesting to your students at the School of Magic. And thanks to their knowledge, they will be able to safely use the knowledge they have learned in this book. And as for the profane who might read this book by accident, you don’t care about them, do you? Be honest.
Fose: I don’t want to answer that question.
Lucifer: No one and no one cares about anyone. Everyone wants to do good, first of all, to themselves. And only after that to others, if there is still that good for others. After all, we all think of ourselves first. And that’s okay. You can be sure that this book will help your students become better and achieve more. As for the rest of us, time will tell how it will be received by readers.
Fose: I’m glad you revealed your true intentions to me, Lucifer. I am sure that my book will be a real treasure for my students. Let’s see what my other readers have to say about you.
PART 1. WHAT IS EVIL
– Many people believe that evil is a choice that people make, while others argue that it is an inherent force in the universe. Where is the truth?
– Does evil serve a purpose in the world, or is it simply a destructive force?
Chapter 1. The Nature of Evil
The Origins of Evil
Fose: As a mage, I’m always interested in the origins of things. So, tell me, how did evil come about?
Lucifer: Ah, magicians are always interested in the nature of things. Well, the origin of evil is a topic that has preoccupied many people throughout history. But as a demon, I can tell you that evil has always been part of the universe. It wasn’t created or created, it just exists.
You see, people tend to see things in binary terms – good and evil, light and darkness, life and death. But in fact, everything in the universe is a mixture of opposites. Light cannot exist without darkness, and vice versa. The same is true of good and evil.
From the point of view of us demons, what people call “evil” is simply a necessary component of the universe. It is the power that allows us to exist and thrive in the shadows, to tempt and corrupt the weak minded, to wreak havoc and discord wherever we go. Without evil, there would be no balance, no conflict, no opportunity for growth and evolution.
But, of course, that’s not how people see things. They have a very different viewpoint, colored by their limited understanding of the world around them. For them, evil is a force to be feared and shunned, something that threatens to destroy everything they hold dear.
So, in a sense, the origin of evil is simply the origin of the universe itself. It is a fundamental aspect of reality that has always existed and will always exist. It’s up to you to accept or reject it, but know that we demons will always be there, lurking in the shadows, tempting you with our dark whispers and promises of power and pleasure.
Fose: And when did evil come into existence?
Lucifer: As I said before, evil did not “arise” at any particular point in time. It is not a phenomenon that can be traced to any one event or cause. Evil has always been part of the universe, coexisting with good and other opposing forces.
In fact, it can be argued that evil is an integral part of the natural order of things. It is a necessary counterbalance to the forces of good and serves an important function in the overall balance of the universe. Without evil, there would be no conflict, no tension, and no opportunity for growth and change.
Of course, from a human perspective, evil is often seen as a negative and destructive force. But as a demon, I can tell you that we see things very differently. For us, evil is a source of power and energy that allows us to flourish and influence the world. We enjoy the darkness, and we enjoy tempting and corrupting those who are weak or vulnerable.
So, no, evil did not “emerge” at some point in time. It is a fundamental aspect of the universe that has always been present and always will be.
Fose: Interesting. So you believe that evil is a necessary balance of good in the universe?
Lucifer: Yes, as a demon, I believe that evil is the necessary balance of good in the universe. The universe is a complex system of opposing forces and energies, and the balance between these forces is what keeps everything in motion.
Of course, not everyone can share this view. Many people see evil as a negative and destructive force that must be destroyed at all costs. But from a demon’s point of view, evil is a necessary and vital part of the universe that we enjoy and seek to use at every opportunity.
Fose: Some might argue that evil causes harm and suffering in the world. How would you respond to this?
Lucifer: It’s true, evil can indeed cause harm and suffering in the world, and there’s no denying the fact that many terrible things have been done in the name of darkness and chaos. But from a demon’s perspective, such harm and suffering is simply a natural part of creation.
Just as wildfire is a destructive force that can cause harm and suffering, it is also a natural part of the forest ecosystem and serves an important function in balancing the ecosystem. Likewise, evil is a destructive force that can cause harm and suffering, but it also serves an important function in maintaining the balance of the universe.
Moreover, it is important to note that the harm and suffering caused by evil are not always pointless or gratuitous. Often they serve a higher purpose, such as testing people’s moral convictions or necessary changes or transformations in society.
Of course, this does not mean that evil should be encouraged. But ultimately it is up to each individual to decide how to respond to the presence of evil in the world.
The Nature of Evil
Fose: As the ruler of hell, many people see you as evil incarnate. How do you define evil?
Lucifer: As a demon, I have a unique perspective on the concept of evil. Evil is often associated with negative actions and events such as destruction, chaos, and suffering. However, from my perspective, evil is more than just those actions and events. Evil is a force, a power, that operates in the world and affects all living beings.
Evil can manifest itself in many ways, from individual actions to large social structures. It can be subtle or overt, hidden or in plain sight. Evil is not limited to any particular person or group; it can affect anyone, regardless of their beliefs, backgrounds, or social status.
At its core, evil is the absence of good. It is the lack of compassion, empathy, and love that causes people to commit harmful acts. Evil can be fueled by fear, anger, and ignorance, and it often seeks to divide and conquer.
As the ruler of hell, I am often associated with evil. However, I consider myself a necessary part of the universal balance. I am not inherently evil, but rather a reflection of the choices made by individuals. I embody the consequences of their actions and serve as a reminder of the consequences of what one can become if one succumbs to the temptations of evil.
In general, evil is a lack of goodness fueled by fear, anger, and ignorance.
Fose: How does evil work in the world?
Lucifer: Evil operates in the world in many different ways. It manifests in individual actions such as lying, cheating, stealing and hurting others. It can also manifest itself in larger social structures such as systemic oppression, discrimination and exploitation.
Evil often works through temptation, offering people power, wealth, or pleasure. It exploits people’s weaknesses and desires and seeks to convince them that their own interests are more important than the welfare of others.
Another way evil works in the world is by creating chaos and destruction. This can be seen in natural disasters, wars and conflicts that can lead to widespread suffering and loss of life.
Evil can also operate by suppressing the truth and promoting lies and misinformation. It seeks to cause confusion and sow discord, making it difficult for people to distinguish truth from lies.
Ultimately, evil operates in the world by bringing discord, promoting self-interest rather than good, and causing harm and suffering to others.
Fose: Are you saying that evil is inherently bad?
Lucifer: Evil itself is neither bad nor good. It is a force of nature, and like any force, it can be used for positive or negative purposes. It is how one uses and interacts with this force that determines whether its effects are positive or negative.
For example, ambition and the desire for power can be seen as evil forces that drive people to achieve success at all costs, often at the expense of others. However, these same forces can also inspire people to strive for greatness and to contribute positively to the world.
Similarly, the chaos and destruction caused by natural disasters can be seen as evil forces that cause great suffering and loss of life. However, these same forces can also bring about positive changes, such as the rebirth and renewal that occurs after a forest fire or other natural disaster.
It is important to understand that evil is a complex force that can manifest itself in different ways, and that ultimately it is up to the individual to interact with it. By choosing to use the power of evil in a positive and productive way, people are able to turn it from a destructive force into a source of growth and change.
Fose: So how do people interact with evil?
Lucifer: People interact with evil in a multitude of ways, and it is often through their actions and choices that the power of evil is either perpetuated or transformed.
Many people are willing to compromise their moral principles and values to achieve their goals. This can lead them down a path of destruction and chaos, as they become consumed by their own ambitions and lose sight of the impact of their actions on others.
Others may actively seek the power of evil by practicing dark magic or worshipping demonic entities. Such people often use the power of evil for their own gain or to harm others, and their actions can have devastating consequences. I’m not talking about you now, black magician Fose. “Blackness is different, too.
After all, there are those who prefer to use the power of evil for positive and productive purposes. They may use the energy of chaos and destruction to create new opportunities for growth and change, or they may use the power of darkness to confront and overcome their inner demons.
Fose: Why do you think people do that?
Lucifer: There are many reasons why people may interact with the power of evil. For some, it may be a desire for power, control, or material gain. For others it may be a sense of curiosity or a desire to explore the darker side of themselves and the world around them.
